Im not saying that the way I thought was right but being raped for 3 years by the same man and molested by someone else that loved you has its effects on your mind and heart. For awhile I thought I would always have this problem but then suddenly something happened. Judging right away could end up getting in the way of an opportunity to know a really great person. Part of that process takes proper communication. You already know what the homies are saying. Women call men dogs when they have slept with numerous women so why would you in turn do the same thing that youre condemning them for? Who cares? As for what would a non-spiritual person be waiting for, well I dont want to give my future post away. Not sure if she is clued into how I've only had one sexual partner as again I am terrified to bring up this conversation about each of our amount of sexual partners. Women can love sex, yet reserve this for men for whom they have love, or with whom they are in a relationship. ', This affirms the theory that women only see high tier males. Think about this: There was a girl in college who was the self-proclaimed whore of our department. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. This. downward but thats not a bad thing. Am I saying that women that have what would be considered a large number of partners should be shunned? She told me that she thought sleeping around was dangerous and that she wanted to wait until marriage. Most women these days DO have lots of experience. woman who values herself. I disagree with you. They give birth. Would you REALLY want to buy that car after you heard that? Men have conqiustadorian aditudes about many things including women. People are simply not willing to marry unless the person they are marrying is compatible. You see great qualities in everyone, and then you continue to look for them in others. Being a guy in his thirties who has waited until marriage it gets really tiring to hear from so many people things like Your future wife isnt going to be a virgin so shut up and get over it or Her sexual past shouldnt matter now stop whining and man up or my personal favorite You just need to get laid, sex isnt that big a deal. Well sex is a big deal, at least for me, Im not going to have it with just anyone, I shouldnt be shamed or forced into dating or marrying a woman who didnt take sex seriously. This is just Like having a Second hand CAR on whom so many Drivers have been used that Car. I may not be properly explaining this but I hope you get what I am trying to say. HOLD ON TO THE SPIRIT OF JESUS CHRIST. But it will be in the back of your mind. There is nothing worse than dating a women with weak will power! But since sex is expensive for women, she gets to choose. If a woman was promiscuous and had sex with numerous men, she was a bad mate choice due to the fact that he may be mistakenly wasting his resources raising another mans child(ren). Judging someone for their actions in their past have no bearing on the type of person they or now. Sexual life is not the most important aspect in the relationship, but it is a very central one. Its more like rape in nature than sex but the female does not sleep aroundstudy this if you must knowand God says so too! A couple of reasons for promiscuity, and a couple of examples. Know why? I DO NOT THINK ITS RIGHT for men to sleep around but IT IS NOT MEANT for women tonot even nature exudes such behavior! The point is that not every woman (far from it) has a past full of sluttiness. She obviously had not displayed any of the 5 issues you laid out (at least she hasnt shown it one bit). You slept with so many people? Past DOES matter. Yea I had a 3some with best friend and a dude we barely knew in college. I dont feel, I KNOW that there is a double standard at play. I completely understand your position on having a right to judge. You can choose to disagree but believe it or not there are a lot of men with women they know have a past and are in great healthy relationships. I canhonestlysay that if it wasnt for my past i would not have learned anything. your such a b.s artist because you know in todays society get to much lead way with that b.s. Wow! By your logic, nothing matters, and we should all turn our brains off. If they pass some one that they slept with on the street the best thing to do is ignore them. -Women also judge in choosing partners. You know I feel you Jennifer. early whether you are worth an investment (remember the biological urge Ask her about how she views your relationship, and what she is hoping it can be. If this sub of all places tells me it's a bad idea I still might go through with it anyway even if at that point it should be 100% decided that it's a bad idea. Error message when applying for student finance, Official Oxford 2023 Postgraduate Applicants Thread, Official LSE Undergraduate Applicants thread 2023, Official Dental Hygiene and Therapy (Oral Health Science) 2023 Entry Thread, Official UNIVERSITY of BATH 2023 entry thread. Hell she wasnt ashamed when she was an easy A in her past so yes it does matters and shes not gon enjoy sex omce she settles down cause shes played out already man come on get real could have wrote a better article cause this is a dumb article for real Im a woman an I damn for sure dont blame a man r anyone else for judging a hoe because even if she changes she still gon have that name for herself all because of her past with numerous of men and ppl are going to judge her off that til shes deadand gone dummy. You GO GIRL! As well, it is simply shameful to have such low standards as to have slept with dozens of people. I on the other hand would reply no. And, dude, Im going to say this to you, and then Ill be signing off. So they choose the wrong mate, get married, have children and are miserable. Excellent. I just dont think that is ever worth passing on a woman that may be the right woman for that man. Of course no one solution applies to all. throw it in their face. Chances are their are deeper issues that may have led to why she even chose to engage sexually with many people. If you are a woman and you want to get married, you need to be smart about your dating. Same as with a baby if you work out i have had a partner or two after my bad divorce and after having children and still get asked if I had children because I am right ..I personally think it depends on how the person is made idk..what do I know though .. Its not about the tightness of your vagina DNA from every partner u take stays inside of you. Is it because you, yourself, in your heart of hearts, have a problem with someone having a lot of sex? I have seen women who may have once been viewed as hoes be the most faithful in a relationship. The problem here is that she does not come off like a ho AT ALLshes ambitious, intelligent, fashionable, etc etc. That just tells men you will move onto the next best thing when it comes to you. To judge them is just wrong and unfair. That is just my opinion but we are all entitled to go about life however we please. This stems from the fact that before child support laws, he could simply have sex and move on without any consequences. pasts at all, dont have intense feelings for her. what an stuck Cheers. Whether saying that a woman should have a low number of partners is out of sync with reality or not is irrelevant. this is not true. My parents were the hippy free-spirit types who told me that I should enjoy and experience life and do what makes me happy. 0. Actions and deeds speak more loudly than words. It is made to push out babies the size of basketballs and then revert back to its normal size. discuss it. If she shows herself to be dysfunctional and unable to maintain a healthy relationship, then again walk away. I feel like I'm just in her head sometimes lmao. Dont like what men expected of women to even consider them as wife & mother to their children? 2) men and women are wired differently. If you are prepared to be the man she needs, and you have a genuine connection with her, then all that other stuff really does not matter. Her husband probly slept with 100 plus too. And some women need to go through experiences to become the best women they could be. A study Sarah Mikach and Michael Bailey of Northwestern University looked at the correlation between a woman's sexual partners and . Women should NOT be judged different from Men, however it does matter more with a Woman then a Man, FACT. I believe focusing on the number blinds us from the things we should really be looking at when trying to determine if this is a person we can have a successful relationship with. It matters. He is the ALPHA and the OMEGA. And I prefer to date her for a while before I sleep with her. They want a woman who has chosen As the article stated, STDs are not a product of high numbers, so somebody who has only been with 1 can have an STD while someone who has been with 80 could have no STDs at all. At the end of the day none of those could capture her heart as you have. esp on the parent side of things. Not for who they once were and no longer are. A womans body is different. By Samantha Daniels, Contributor He controls himself. Now a days this is normal as it is hard to find a Virgin Girl as most of them had sex in their 15s or 16s. A man with emotional baggage or self esteem issues cannot believe that a woman with past relationships can be committed to loving only him. I am coming from a place that is old-minded and is small island, so something like dis should spoil your name and make u feel embarassed even if for you wasnt that big deal.. On d other hand tho you cant judge a woman by that, but society does, no matter what so its better to think wisely before you do. Is she still a better option than the woman who once upon a time was promiscuous, no longer behaves that way, has healed/worked past her issues, and now can be everything you would need her to be? Nobody likes for the woman they love to be viewed in that light. If I was looking for a Woman, I DO care about her past, and she should care about mines. In a loving relationship, no divorce (or marriage) will ever be based on financial reasons. Some religions cut off womens sensitive parts so that she will NOT experience pleasure. But I notice that its mostly inexperienced and insecure men who seem to be the most concerned about it. Ask men you know who are good & who you can trust to tell you the truth not what you like hearing. For good or bad Wow, so many issues with your post. 20 partners in 25 years? How many men a female has slept matters because: embarrassing. How many partners youve had should definitely speak for your character. a person who's had a lot of relationships or encounters doesn't make them a cheater especially if they were honest and up front. I really dont care whether you believe the truth of the matter or not, as I dont care whether you believe in evolution, gravity, or anything else. But to think you cant find anyone compatible with you is B-S. People use the word perfect as an excuse to not have to live up to any expectations. First let me say that I really like the advice that you post even though I occasionally disagree with your views, the vast majority of the time (92-97%) I feel that your advice perfectly sums up the solution that is going to bring about the best results. Thats not cheating- thats having multiple partners because you dont want to be tied down to one relationship. and you excel in other areas it can balance this out. Lets try this on for size: understand where youre coming from, and just give you a chance? I respected her view so much. Its all psychology. Touch. I agree to disagree on your comment. And thats why marriage is on the decline and will go steadier I know it is a struggle that will never end and at times I dont think i can handle it. From my experience and what i have seen the way a person behaves is a big issue. Im not condoning it but I think we should keep an open mind about it. Men are perfectly within their rights, when choosing a mate to spend the rest of their lives with and mother their children, to choose a women who is not only kind and intelligent, but also has not lived a life full of promiscuity and whorish behavior. Hmm? Theres nothing special about having a turn with a town bicycle. When I met a man that claimed to have slept with 150+ women and a woman that slept with 50+ men, its no wonder we have broken families, stds, and little girls like Amber Cole becoming prevalent. I am not a whore or a slut. At the end of the day just understand that because there are many men who take a position similar to yours, many women will not be open and honest about their numbers. And yeah I'm definitely better than any of the other guys I've heard she's been with. The reality is that this can happen with a woman who has had very few partners or many partners. I dont thing something is wrong with a man who does not like the idea of competing with a womans past. I am hopefull Im very flattered, but not creeped out enough yet to worry about it. There is nothing wrong with your disagreement, but they way you go about it is very negative and very unnecessary. I hold men and women to the same standard. Men stand to lose their homes, assets and children even when they were the ones who honored their vows, to have and to hold, for better or worse. This girl helped open my eyes to all sorts of fun ideas in and out of the bedroom. A woman lies because she knows it decreases her Sexual Market Value. Everyone is different, despite gender. Sheila, the books you rever; Bible, Talmud, Quaran, where all written long before science and common sense were a regular commodity. or how many different babys daddy she has is not important. As women and men i am very sure we have all made mistakes and hopefully learned from them as well. This is a touchy subject.. Everyone is different. Just wanted to throw out there that this isnt always the case. I still think we shouldnt use the numbers as judgement because what happens to the woman who does not have a conflicting view with that man on relationships, yet she does have high numbers. Here, we have a beautiful quiz for you. I think that sex is not the big factor of life, as a matter of fact I know sex is not the big factor of life. You know, I wish people would stop throwing the word perfect around. The girl you date shows her cleavage all the time. You have people like me who respect your choice and who understand what you are going thru. Id like to think that its not all a hush-hush, giggle-giggle, shameful thing and that being adult means we can handle the reality that people mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles, sisters, brothers, men and women have sex. I do not expect anything from people. I am faced with a decision as to whether or not stay with my current girlfriend, because in all honesty I only wish to be her friend after finding out her past. Hes not stating that women are divorcing because they cheat. umm doing your kegels will fix that and also not true unless the promiscuous lady in question is having babies left and right. Please! Thanks for sharing! Ladies need to just respect themselves overall. The Virgin guy is one by choice. People are simply not willing to marry unless they are certain that the person they are marrying is compatible.. A bit extreme. Her sexual promiscuity or lack there of does not control control his actions or level of respect. If sex shouldnt be used to judge someone then nothing else about that persons past should be of any relevance because after all, theyre in the past. I dont think u r being objective. in order to let me know she is relationship material, yet shes slept with 100 people, well.I wasnt born yesterday. But you would never have known looking at her. Women are yet to be seen as equals. Why invest your time, emotion and energy into a person who does not share the same sexual compatibility that you do because you naively want to believe that how many people she has slept with doesnt matter. while, recklessly, and if I crash? This is what society gets for sexual liberation. I think it opens up the mind to think past a selected numerical value that is supposed to be moral and fitting of all positions and start asking questions to seek who the other is on a much deeper level in order to find a partner that is truly worthy of spending life with. As promiscuous as men are! Yes, there's a big difference. All statistics show that, you instinctual disgust by it is natural because only guys that avoided dirty women like that managed not to be cucked and got to reproduce, science just confirmed what we knew long ago 19 is so, so young. Im always a lady first and what I do behind close doors doesnt define who I am as a person. By that point, Hucknall had apparently slept with . As you stated, it ultimately shouldnt affect the current situation. A lot of women have transitioned out of the Hoe Stroll while others will lead you to believe that they havefor what reason? Given that correlation I can understand why if a man knows thatshes got more points than Wilt Chamberlain, he chooses not to waste his time because chances are they wont see eye to eye. Personally I believe that everyone should date whoever they want. A dream. Honestly, those dudes sound kinda suspectbut I was never the type to try to train a girl either. Our passed has shaped our futures, so when a person refuses to tell you about their past, it's time to move on, because they have just shaped both of your futures, by refusing to open up. BUt i loved him so much i would have worked on the problem along with him, supported him if he was ready to move forward. Eventually we grew apart because she was ready to start a family and I was not. And I wouldnt ignore the past in a realtionship either. I am sharing my experiences and opinions. enjoy has lead to a downward spiral in the family, out of control divorce Or control and/or reduce the rejection that women are going to receive ? As far as cheating goes, even the most decent girl will cheat if a guy is attractive to her- given the time and place. Not to mention the problems I've tried to avoid by those men who slander her name. If you are brigading from another subreddit you will be banned. Your experience may vary. Thanks for your input man I appreciate it, ErmdudeI don't think you are in the best place to be with anyone right now tbh. There are MANY self-respecting women with discipline and restraint who love sex, but have a low number of partners. If a girl is promiscuous or has had behavior IN HER PAST showing lack of self-respect, self-esteem, integrity, etc., she can tell me she has changed all she wants, but shes blown her chance at a LTR with me, simply because plenty of women have the character to not do the things she did. You think people are using condoms at a high ratenope. Those who belittle this concern are just those who have a sketchy past and don't like being possibly judged for it. She is 30. Run. We cannot allow people to think "I can do whatever I want because people can't judge me anyway" because that promotes this view of doing and thinking wild things simply because you can get away with it. It has been made apart of this life, but not apart of eternal life..We have one teacher here that JESUS and HE knows more about the subject than you do.In The Book of Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers GOD will judge. It's difficult as society has been telling me for years to avoid relationships with girls like this. If you don't respect her, don't date her. MANY women who love sex also have self-respect, and choose to save that wonderful sex for relationships, and loved ones. Actually this research was proven by a Womens Organization! Drop them. Thank you very much. Though I hate emotional baggage. Ill always get laid. I do feel that there are always exceptions the rule and we should seek further understanding if willing. How about a thief? Press J to jump to the feed. You will hold the one your with until the money guy comes around, or they guy with the big D, or the guy with the confidence etc etc.its so fake and so bad for evolution tbh. Ive been through it, luckily with no children involved, and Ive known others whove gone through. Also consider that all people who engage in a lot of casual sex have higher rates of depression and low self-esteem and lower rates of life satisfaction. is NOT okay to act as if it doesnt count because it was in your past. Remember every saint was once a sinner down and every sinner can become a saint and stand tall. Wow, as more as I read your answers as more I agree on what you say I am afraid puppycat feels remorse for something has she been honest with her man about her past????? I'd like to believe the girls I'm seeking hold value to themselves and know what they are worth, unlike my current girlfirend sadly. The past is relevant. However when we step into the LOGICAL WORLD and actually apply it: People judge no matter if it is for the GOOD or the BAD! Thats why I want to marry him. So what is it about the number of sexual partners that makes it so especially unimportant? Would you still judge her as nothing more than a whore or was she simply a victim of a horrible act and didnt know or wasnt able to get the help to properly handle it. All in all I think monogamy is a cruel joke. Me personally i do not sleep around and i am not going to lower my standards and try and act like a womans past has no bearing on her present let alone is not relevant. And she is ten times prettier with larger breasts and better complected, better hair, better teeth, more intelligent, etc His wife would feel intimidated and feel she can not compete especially if the other woman dumped him and he had been in love with her. You may not mind to share your life with someone who has share herself with everyone who show some interest but for me it is very a very important detail as it is part of the whole person you arechoosing since I have that capacity of choice I want to have a nice person as a whole including a matching in our values personally I am sure I would not go ahead with a woman with this kind ofbaggage. If I find out that a woman I am dating has been a slut (based on my own personal definition since that is all that matter when Im choosing who to be in a relationship with), that disqualifies her from being in a serious relationship with me. So you may want to take a deeper look in trying to understand the problem and how to better approach it. You said it in your comment Jeraldelmcclane women who are unable to stay connected emotionally to their husbands. to see just how much power in these relationships and families that women do I raised up the point of abuse as just a way to point out that we have no idea what that a womans reasons are and we shouldnt judge. Second, women are heavily criticized for having a lot of partners because they the ones making the final decision. she has slept with in the past as evidence for if she is someone to be The fact that Kim Kardashian is a role model for women is sickening. I'm looking for ways to reflect on this situation so I can movie forward in not let my toxic behavior leak out. What should matter is if she is STD free. while there certainly can be concerns about patterns of behavior, don't let those feed your insecurities. Because mens focus on a I dont even make eye contact with other men. Many women have overlooked certain needs just to be able to get themselves married. and if she was a hoe before marriage who tells me that she will magically transform after it? And i was the very faithful one by the way which meant nothing to that loser Ex wife of mine at one time. And many guys love me. The fact is men behave like sluts because women allow them to. Not too many women want a man that other women dont want. forgotten how to be committed. We allow the wrong things to interfere with our ability to give and receive love. take her to my babysitting job and we can babysit the little kid and eachother ;) to my work, she can help me move machines and i can help her move her machine ;) maybe take her to a big scary movie called CLOWNS R KOOL and then buy her a balloon. I have shops around Nigeria . We dont know what that woman may have been going through or her full reasons for her choices. This post also feels like a way to almost look for what I want to hear i.e. Its not about being flawless and perfect. It only hurts her to vent. Stephan says my past shouldnt matter, so there!. The emotional component I can build well in a live- in arrangement, before we finally settle down. Yeah I agree. Now lets imagine you want to buy a car and you go to the dealership and you see a car that you really like and the salesman tells you that the car that you feel is so beautiful and would make such a great addition to your life has 289,832 miles on it (NOTE: before the comments flow in about what if the car only had one previous owner, which I'd be more than happy to discuss, for the sake of this article this is only to focus on the number of miles). That everyone should date whoever they want I have seen the way which MEANT nothing to that loser Ex of. About this: there was a girl either person they are in a.! 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