We dont need to prey on their consumerism also. January 3, 2018, 7:20 am, If you could have somehow monetised the Internet in 1992 and sold it. With all due respect, your statement comes across as rather authoritarian! The other argument for Bitcoins value is that there will only ever be 21 million of them, and they will eventually replace all other world currencies, or at least become the new gold, so the fundamental value is either the entire worlds GDP or at least the total value of all gold, divided by 21 million. We save up our purchases. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/21/no-bitcoin-is-likely-not-going-to-consume-all-the-worlds-energy-in-2020.html, Biglaw Investor Justin C Everything youve said makes sense. Mr. Money Mustache and his then-wife retired at the age of 30 with a net worth of $600,000. It is an innovation worthy of a Nobel that is being trashed by MMM and his horde of supporters who have no clue how the Internet of Money is going to replace everything we know about Banking and Finance! When contracts cannot be broken nobody needs to oversee contracts. Bitcoin values are delusional. January 3, 2018, 12:30 pm, but fail to recognize that the USD also has no intrinsic value. Those Adults you referred to in your article had the trust and lost it with their actions. Except for ripple coin. Even with the internet, its only in the last 15 years or so that we have seen companies with seemingly any sort of staying power in the industry. Think about it and I know you realise what is happening. You keep talking about transactions needed for it to be a currency but fail to mention in your article that Lightning Network is in the works to address this very problem. Also, it is meaningless to create a Private Blockchain, as you can achieve the same thing using your existing oracle database without unnecessarily replicating transactions in multiple servers. MMM says: There is no intrinsic value in cryptocurrencies. And you dont want it for this purpose anyway after all, do you currentlyhide your money in offshore tax havens and transact your business on black markets? In your example, the 1992 internet might be comparable to Blockchain time will ultimately tell. Im a regular reader and respect your opinion. I dislike all this vitriol given to speculators when they are fully valuable members of an economic system. Have you ever taken a look at how correlated the stocks of an index were? Love this blog and agree with most of your opinions on Bitcoin. LennStar If Blockchain is so great, why have individual Banks not been able to release their own Blockchain currencies in so many years? I just recently read that someone in metro Vancouver Canada liquidated $100,000 worth of their retirement savings and used that money to purchase servers for bitcoin mining. What value is there? Ive been investing steadily over a 20 year period. Mr. Frugal Toque Could you please tell us what you are invested in and when you got in? > There is a high chance that Bitcoin doesnt remain #1 forever because there are so many cryptocurrencies, many of which with very different applications, including some that arent even based on blockchain technology. That is wrong. Theres illegal activity in all its shapes and forms (ie. The cryptocurrency is the glue that holds the system together. Secrecy and hoarding will grow exponentially and the wealth gap will become staggeringly wide. Dr-In-Debt Im fine with crypto but not as an investment. TomTX, nothing was answered. Then whats the whole point of this currency, why not just use dollars and euros directly? But coincidentally, after I got my computer engineering degree I ended up specializing in security and encryption technologies for most of my career. Millions of people streaming interactive video games. I dont think so. Aside from what it can do, cryptocurrency guarantees an economy with very different fundamentals than government-issued currency because 1) its supply is finite and 2) no central authority controls distribution of new supply. Started by kayvent. December 10, 2018, 5:45 pm, Dang! Bill Batchelor The behavior of bitcoin since the genesis block has been completely different. Mr. Money Mustac. January 2, 2018, 5:54 pm. United States . According to the index, the amount of energy consumed by mining bitcoin surged about 26 percent in November alone and now totals nearly 36 terawatt hours, enough energy to power about 3.3 million homes. However about 6 months ago, I withdrew all my stocks and threw it in altcoins. NOTHING HAPPENS! That is where we are with Bitcoins. But nobody seems to be able to put together a real reason why Bitcoin isnt the next Pets.com, Uberartist If you can afford to lose the $500K and want to let it ride, go for it. But thats just the software side (Blockchain). document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Take a look around. An investment is something that has intrinsic value that is, it would be worth owning from a financial perspective,even if you could never sell it. Congratulations on your earnings. I was having coffee with a friend just 2 weeks ago and he mentioned a friend of his who was investing in Bitcoin and asked what I thought. Some people might get crazy rich, but some might just go broke because of Bitcoin. For one you keep bringing up this no intrinsic value point, which is common, but fail to recognize that the USD also has no intrinsic value. offshore tax haves/ black marketsare companies moving to Ireland for tax sheltering & why does Apple have so much money overseas. Cryptos appear to be the latest mania and in its current form will most certainly suffer the fate of the other manias that have happened in the past. This is bitcoin's intrinsic value and the longer it exists, the more apparent it will be. Its because gold is real money and everything else is a good derivative (and therefore a delusion). By exchanging dollars or euros for a fee? Digiconomist notes this would make bitcoin the 59th biggest energy consumer if it were a country.. Take risks, but keep educated and with good money management. Now, lets see who is smiling? Seems an awful lot of marketing being pushed for something of questionable value. Finally, nothing becomes a good investment just because its been going up in price lately., If you disagree with me on that point, the price of my fingernails has just increased by 70,000% and they are now $70,000 per bag. Also make a calculation of how much electricity, trees and other expenses the Fiat Currencies printed on toilet paper consume as well! January 2, 2018, 8:53 pm. Hell isnt that why we are here in the first place? Of course, there is some price, far lower, where Bitcoin could be rationally priced. I even read about these things for fun, with Simon Singhs The Code Book and the Neil Stephenson novel Cryptonomicon being particularly fun shortcuts to pick up some of the workings and the context of cryptography. A decentralised system where no human has the power to manipulate money supply is the best thing that any society can expect, to get its finances and economy in order. Fiat, at least from most major industrialised nations, is less volatile for one thing. Imagine he same concept but at least an old beta max has some residual value if you still own tapes, Another great comparison. January 2, 2018, 5:52 pm. If you dont have the Bitcoin in your own (encrypted, hardware, offline) wallet, you dont actually control the Bitcoin. The short answer is they can do nothing about it! i thought the same last year as to Westerners it makes no sense, we have bank accounts, credit cards, houses etc and that is correct (today at least). This is the same exact dynamic as tulip bulbs: Do tulip bulbs have a value? To compare with fiat currency, we need to consider fiat currencys rippling effect on society. Closer to 85 years than 40. A massive drop in the market is usually based on fear which once subsided, earnings from the 3k companies publicly traded will continue to churn out and eventually prices will come back up. You are probably right that it has some more room to grow, but speculating on the perfect exit point is no more an investment strategy than a trip to Vegas is. The dams generate electricity whether you need it or not. Problem I have with this article is the blatant statement that Bitcoin is Stupid! Take the decentralization, the trustlessness, the miners or the currency out and you throw the immutability out. It seems like youre advocating for scenario #2. Also, for the first time in history, you can create digital collectibles that are unique and non-replicable, just like my Wayne Gretzky rookie card which intrinsic value is about 1 cent of cardboard and ink, but which market value is in the hundreds (but that must be a bubble too). :), https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/941500121564332032, farmecologist Peter Mevoin Retweet. Consensus destroyed. More than triple the speed of Visa/MC. Lady Dividend also look at russian, venezuala and Argentina for more proof of bitcoin. Its clear from reading the comments that most people dont understand how this works. That is what has happened twice this century already, and could very well happen again. I was hoping that when bitcoin futures became a real thing, Id be able to short it in a more normal way. Do you have any stats to share? Max Your Freedom Consensus over its value. I enjoyed this analysis by Aswath Damodaran, a thoughtful investor and Professor at NYU school of business. However, governments and institutions are investigating the uses of some platforms, like Ethereum: https://globalnews.ca/news/3977745/ethereum-blockchain-canada-nrc/. Right now, I think that this space allows people to be their own VC. Hell if I believed that I would work my ass of taking EVERYTHING I could and putting it into cryptos! I for one am lucky enough to participate in the birthing of an alternative financial paradigm so that people have choices. Update, three years later: Since I wrote this, the imaginary price of Bitcoin has continued to be all over the map it initially dropped over 70%, then it went back up many hundreds of percent, over and over. You are just parroting what every novice tells about Money. It stays below the prior high for decade at least, sometimes forever. Speculation is essential to set a market price for anything. Agree, the valuation of these cryptocurrencies are out of whack. Not a penny was wasted. Ryan Thomas The thing that stopped me is that shorting it is a *pain in the ass*. It all depends on how much personal enjoyment they get compared to the cost to own them. if you over leverage yourself in any of these you can find yourself in trouble. And society is comprised of them, and nothing else. When you have a more efficient and fluid system that has zero manipulation from individuals, who will go back to a corrupt and manipulative system as it exists today? An Interview with Matt Cutts: Can the Government grow a Money Mustache? Complaints and insults generally wont make the cut here, but by all means write them on your own blog! So, I harvest other peoples speculation and I dont lose anything, as I have already harvested more than what I put in. FirstPrincipleThinking Facebook is probably the 4th or 5th legitimate social media platform. In a world of human trust, putting the wisest and most respected people in a position of Adult Supervision is a useful tactic. Scrypt based coins like litecoin also have ASICs for them already, the L3+. 15% off everything you buy on Amazon basically. So I did learn a bit about locking and unlocking information, hacking, and ensuring that independent brains (whether they are two adjacent CPUs on a circuit board or two companies negotiating across the Pacific) can trust each other and coordinate their actions in lockstep. TO_Ont Im interested to see how this plays out. Yes, that is your ground reality today. I put my money where my mouth is! Will it get me my money faster? Being knowledgeable about finance does not mean being knowledgeable about economics. Mining is only one arm of this whole thing and CANNOT hijack Bitcoins, and that is also why the Bitcoin community refuses to increase block size randomly like Bitcoin Cash, to give the miners any more importance than they deserve. January 2, 2018, 5:49 pm. The reason internet destroys industries (?? Cest la vie. Bitcoin (aka CancerPills) has become an investment bubble, with the complementary forces of Human herd behavior, greed, fear of missing out, and a lack of understanding of past financial bubbles amplifying it. I just want to point out that since Bitcoin is maxing out its current number of transactions per second, the waste of energy is actually tied to the price of a Bitcoin, not the number of transactions (the more a single bitcoin is worth, the more energy each miner is willing to spend trying to complete transactions, which earns them a bonus paid in bitcoins). Your entire new medium of exchange is part of the black market. That is what is pissing me off. Would yours? January 3, 2018, 4:42 pm. If its a bubble, it will be the first bubble where a large portion of investors know it could all be a bubble and where most investors are tired of hearing about tulips. Staying on the sidelines unless you have some special knowledge of when exactly the the bubble will pop. You can even have a social media/blogging site based on a blockchain, like steem/steemit. Calling this a waste of human energy is NUTS. Market prices are not set by consensus. Networking. MentalArson If you are disgusted with the mining costs of Bitcoin you should be but the fact remains new inventions like RaiBlocks has made cryptocurrency frictionless and without mining or fees with transactions at over 7,000 per second. They probably also didnt like my stated aversion to cyptocurrency and desire to stick with boring real estate. You, the skeptic will be holding straw because you were too stubborn with your ideals to change. I have these lovely tulip bulbs for sale, please PM me. February 21, 2022, 8:04 am. It is 110% of your total and entire GDP, and that is just your Federal Debt. A billion dollar gaming industry creating games worth watching. Governments have no choice here. Because of this, Bitcoin Cash and Monero and Dogecoin and many others are far more more rational, but still exhibit many of the other problems stemming from competition that you mention. People want Bitcoin to grow exponentially and be stable at the same time! Transaction fees on the DASH network are effectively 0. Even if Mining gets centralised, Bitcoins future cannot be dictated to by them! But this is not necessarily correct in every case. Vijay, what MMM is saying is that cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin cannot presently operate as currencies. ), but not because they did anything useful or produced any money and value to society,. Back it up, or youre just another nutjob. January 3, 2018, 4:51 pm. And the digital assets which are currently little more than digital currencies no one uses will be required to process and write data to the public blockchains. (As Ronnie Chieng says, What IS it!?!?). GPU mining is dead. Shorting bitcoin would just be speculation in the opposite direction. Own as much Bitcoin as matches your understanding of Bitcoin. Monetizing debt and inflating the monetary supply is eroding our purchasing power and wealth. I want to know will it make my day to day life easier? Fired & Free This is yet another extreme example. Blockchain isnt just a software protocol, the algorithm guiding it doesnt have to be open source, some cryptoassets pay the miners for securing the network through concepts such as proof of stake and delegated byzantine fault tolerance, some networks support decentralized applications with actual potential and have intrinsic value. Personally I fail to see the reference between Failhypecoins and retails challenges with shopping online. destroy? So no, its not a Ponzi or Pyramid scheme, but its no better than taking a spin down the Vegas Strip either. If the currency is highly valued, he would do well to keep hold of it! Then the mining ist just looking up data in this table. Maybe you know about Mr. Money Mustache very well But do you know how old and tall is he and what is his net worth in 2023? But coincidentally, after I got my computer engineering degree I ended up specializing in security and encryption technologies for most of my career. Its diversification. January 3, 2018, 4:56 pm. The growing demand for more electricity is the most serious issue with Bitcoin, IMO. We have never in history had such expanding currency supply backed by NOTHING. There used to be cool arbitrage opportunities on a website called purse.io, where you could buy amazon products for a discount using bitcoin but transaction fees have made those types of business models (temporarily?) Bond *prices* are higher than ever today, which is the reciprocal of them having a high yield. These are preposterous numbers. Long story short bitcoin provides value. :). Sorry*blockchain* may be worthy of accoladesNOT bitcoin. Definitely not. Everything is awesome, we cannot fail, it is great! Or when I have to go to the grocery store to buy milk and theres the sign that says NO POWER, CASH ONLY and my toddler is crying for milk, Im going to pay them in cash. You mixed that up. First petition your government to audit this fraud bank which they have not done in decades! I dont know if stock prices will go down. It is an honor to be doing this session! Its very informative and answers many questions you raise, 2. Mr. Money Mustache talks about his divorce. Tim Beck An investment then would not be considered wasteful now. Do I trust the people at the federal reserve that helped cause the 2008 crash and didnt call it beforehand? January 3, 2018, 12:25 pm, there may be a higher dollars-per-kilowatt-hour return, but I dont know these numbers myself. More computing power leads to higher data integrity which creates more value which attracts more computing power, and so on. That in turn creates tax revenue, prosperity in a worrying economy for peoples investment portfolios, etc. I can see scenarios where some of these platforms develop staying power and become increasingly valuable for the actual work that they are needed to accomplish. I am so happy to see this article! Or physical goods if you want to use it to record land or vehicle deeds, etc. The vast majority of the companies trying to monetize the internet failed. Apparently the friend had doubled his money. Ms99to1percent The big players in China use hydroelectric power. As of now, BTC has none of those characteristics. But its likely just down the toilet. Something a step up from bitcoin t-shirts but nothing too risky. Pure Air and a bunch of IOUs that it will eventually default on. Do you think Governments and Regulators have sat on the sidelines so far while Bitcoin is just exploding to a point that MMM had to sit and write a huge article? It doesnt mean they are in bubbles at any price. A stock is not a ticker symbol; it is a stake in an underlying business. In short this is nothing more than trust. I own my currency as it is today (EUR and USD), how come you do not own yours? Also withdrawing profits consistently so that if a crash comes you are ahead of the game and only playing with the markets money by withdrawing at minimum what you already invested. That capability simply did not exist before blockchain-based currencies. It is happening, slowly but none the less all three of your issues should be gone within 5 years). January 3, 2018, 7:59 am. Looking back, I couldve traded a couple bucks of electricity as a college student for tens of thousands of dollars today. An emerging application that will be huge is true ownership and verifiable authenticity of digital goods. Thats why wind farms are much more economical in areas with large scale hydro. There valuation of pretty much everything but Bitcoin and Ethereum is unjustifiable. This is not characteristic of a healthy financial system (particularly so many years into a global recovery), but rather a zombie one thats been artificially propped up since the financial crisis. Seeing ATMs shows that it is slowly on the cusp of becoming more widely adapted and accepted. But again, this is not investment but speculation! Bitcoin is the viral buzzword that has the momentum. Said every speculation sucker since the 17th Century. Money only has value if it is stable and trusted. Moneymeister 16-02-2023 WIDM 2023: mijn mening en verdenkingen tot nu toe. You disagree. The whole economy could stall in time to come, and people are worried about the small stuff. Just the same with crypto-currencies today. Try doing one thing the Banks dont want you to do, or the regimes in half the worlds countries dont want you to do, and you will know how financially ruined you will be! If so, this could negate the discount benefit for small purchases. Tulips anyone? Its a speculation, pretty much like buying gold. I started laughing and said he should take his profits and move on because this will not end well, although inevitably many people will be left holding the bag. I was one of the first subscribers to this subreddit when it was invented. Back in its heyday, BTC was incredibly valuable for making monetary transactions (essentially anytime before this recent mania clogged up the blocks). LennStar Is the logical conclusion to short a mania or stay on the sidelines? They dont tend to go longer than that. Gold has always been considered a commodity of high value. Very interesting. April 2, 2018, 7:38 am. Governments can inflate the prices as they wish, how is that model sustainable? Yes, this is a function. Discussion with friend from nVidia is irrelevant to bitcoin mining. Probably. Hopefully someone else will go through this in 2023 and fill us in on the value then. I know have around $20k in crpyto having invested around $3500. 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