[8] This was a notable departure for the firm, as for many years the big Dublin distilling dynasties had shunned the use of Coffey stills, questioning if their output, grain whiskey, could even be termed whiskey. there was thought to be up towards 25 distilleries in this town at one time. I grew up thinking I was half Czech and half Irish Catholic. Slainte. I serve it in Texas to my St. Patricks day guests and several times a year otherwise. Protestant - to 'protest'. and my green on July 12th. And I was not drunk !!! The cheap Evan Williams Black Label at half the price (in the USA)has more taste and more of a kick. This is an interesting thread and I have a few more now to try. Any particular reason why in 1998-1999 Bushmills would have distilled of at least bottle up for Jameson ????? Redbreast was a recent taste and I liked that a lot. The cheap rustic stuff is often the best. Irish whiskeys obtain much of their flavor and color from the coating left inside the barrel from the bourbon aging process. Do not place them next to each other. My grandfather lost friends due to the awful abuses that were brought upon the Irish in the Republic by the Englishs Black and Tans, rumor has it the original owner of Bushmills was granted the right to distill due to the fact he helped suppress the Irish in the north from uprising against the British. So bottoms up. In return, Bushmills receives grain whiskey from both Midleton & Cooley. I was wondering when someone would ask this question. Whoever owns Paddys also owns one of these bigger brands and wont export to the US because they know they would cannibalize their own market share. Big thank you to reader Jonathan for providing this informative link about this. Very easy arrangement. Believe in the Trinity of God. Arthur Guinness was a Protestant and a Unionist. Prefer the Irish whiskeys but never met a single malt I didnt savor. They also bottle Powers & Paddys as well. I can guarantee no one here in Dublin or Ireland gives a crap either way. For this reason, Bushmills has a bigger flavor, while Jameson has a much lighter flavor. Thank you for the real-world experience! If I had a choice between Macallan 18 and Redbreast, think Id stay Irish. [4] At the time of his visit, the distillery was home to five pot stills, two of which with capacities of 25,000 gallons, were amongst the largest ever built. Still enjoy the Black Bush and the Bushmills 16yr. The Emperor's war against the Lutheran princes put the first Protestant reformers in a difficult bind. In Ireland theyd drink either, but rarely had enough money for more than a pint o the local beer. #103. Jameson Is Catholic and Bushmills Is Protestant. The date of 1608 doesnt even specifically relate to that brand but that a license was granted in somewhere in that general area. It is the oldest licensed distillery by 200 years and was once owned by a Belfast barman who get this was a teetotaller and secretly wrote religous tracts damning the Demon Drink! The fun is is teasing those who do not know/care to understand. These two fine whiskeys should be enjoyed in a glass and not on some pseudo-religious podium. The new Tullamore Dew distillery is up and running the past 2 years and back in Tullamore town. Whiskey takes no sides and is drank by all Catholic, Protestant, Hebrew, Atheist, etc. For the record, despite the Scottish reformation, that doesnt mean Jamieson was a Proddy. It was the anti-Catholic hiring practices that Bushmills employed in Northern Ireland that fueled the snub. Delicious, soothing, contemplative. Both sides here will gradually realise that they have more in common with each other than they do with folk in ROI or England, thats been my experience. Jameson is a blended potstill whiskey (malted + Unmalted grain blended with grain whiskey). Im thankful for everyone who, New York City! In 1989, Irish Distillers itself became a subsidiary of Pernod-Ricard following a friendly takeover. As an American, am I being disloyal to Scotland when I drink Jamesons? Distilling of locally grown agricultural to produce alcohol is something that is not peculiar to Ireland. OK, OK, can be pretty good and certainly much cheaper. All Irish whiskey is great. I agree with Robert McHardy above. Whiskey is Irish, whatever brand (or religion), followed by Americans (as in bourbon whiskey etc.). hint of linseed. To comment on a few posts above: I am of Irish descent and remember hearing the Protestant Whiskey comments as a kid growing up in New England(I am 50 now). neither, Im a Jew. All in all meaning, were I to have gone to Ireland to visit, my relatives would probably have been more confused than was I. I would wager that half the comments are from people that have never been to Irelandif I drink vodka does this make me a communist -no! Initially a war between various Protestant and Catholic states in the fragmented Holy Roman Empire, it gradually developed into a more general . Powers is a brand of Irish whiskey. Thanks for sharing your thoughts about jeff. 1. I like Jamesons.andI like BushmillsandI like Tullamore Dew.and I dont care if theyre made by Indonesian monks that hate my mothertheyre just tasty. I came to mention Powers- it seems my work is done. [11], In 1961, a Coffey still was installed in John's Lane Distillery, allowing the production of vodka and gin, in addition to the testing of grain whiskey for use in blended whiskey. Instead, American Catholics drew exten sively from an earlier movement launched by Father Mathew, a Catholic friar in Ireland.1 This article analyzes the ways in which lay Catholics adapted temperance 1. @Darby OGill. Not all American or Irish whiskies spell the word with an elike Makers Mark, George Dickel, Old Forester, Early Times or Paddy spell the word w-h-i-s-k-y. I should have thought of other whisk(e)y cocktails when typing that last thought. However, ownership remained in the family until 1966, and several descendants of his sisters remained at work with the company until recent times. He said Jameson trucks it up there when Jameson is at capacity, and Bushmills has the resources to do it. March 17, 2016 / 1:00 PM / CBS San Francisco. Im leaving this post up as an archive, but I encourage you to read that article first, and if you, As far as Im concerned, springtime is Dark and Stormy season. His policies were considered heavily pro-Catholic. I find it to be a littlethick? The only option is to import a case in through the provincial liquor stores at about $35 CAD per bottle. ** Though I like all of the ones mentioned above more. Catholic powers praised the killings, and the French Protestant cause saw a wave of exile and conversions. It is either good or it is not. [1][2] A gold label adorned each bottle and it was from these that the whiskey got the name Powers Gold Label. The word "catholic" means "all-embracing," and the Catholic Church sees itself as the only . Go figure . Father Urban has succeeded as a business operator on behalf of his monastic . He was, I believe, top dog in the Orange Order: the vehemently anti-Catholic organization whose best-known figure is the frightening demagogue the Rev. It was as perfect in flavour, and as pronounced in the ancient aroma of Irish Whisky so dear to the hearts of connoisseurs, as one could possibly desire, and we found a small flask of it very useful afterwards on our travels. I must say I enjoyed reading this thread, and I had no intention of posting until I reached #58. The company has been running since 1780 and has developed and perfected the art of producing the premium quality, top shelf, and smoothest Irish whiskey in the world today. That was in fact untrue. To complicate the issue even more, Bushmills has been owned by a big drinks corporation since 1972 (first Irish Distillers, now Diageo), but before then it was owned by a Scottish Jew! Also, I understand that corned beef and cabbage is not a traditional Irish meal but it is a traditional Irish American Meal, particularly in the North East. Tullamore Dew has lemon notes with wood undertones, whereas Jameson has a light . I answered, Episcopalian because we think of ourselves as both and neither. Historically a single pot still whiskey, the flagship Powers Gold Label brand was the first Irish whiskey ever to be bottled. I am still cradling my Bushmills 12 yr Distillery Reserve Whiskey. This is part of a long standing agreement from the old IDL days. Looking for Irish Whiskey to use in a recipe for bread pudding I paid a visit to our local liquor store and inquired as to the best Irish Whiskey available. Along with a fellow sipper we have over most of the Irish brands listed here in this thread as part of a 30+ years Christmas gift exchange and tasting session. Your grandfather may have lost friends back in the early 20th century to the Black & Tans and im sorry to hear that, but guess what? A few years ago during a trip to Ireland we had dinner at the home of some relatives. Not what religion you think a whiskey holds. We dont live in the dark ages anymore, though clearly prejudice and ignorance persist. Required fields are marked *. Well Kentucky used to be part of the state of Virginia, but that doesnt mean you blame the whiskey for something that happened in that state. . With regard to Powers Gold Label: I bought a bottle last week after reading about how decent a drink it was. In my opinion, its one of the blandest, albeit smoothest, whiskeys Ive tasted. Patrick Irish whiskey tends to be a lighter style of whiskey than Scotch or American whiskies, but that doesnt mean its necessarily lower in quality. Powers is a brand of Irish whiskey. Such days are long over, and Dew is rapidly making up the difference in sales, and has already overtaken Jamison in may countries in Europe. Catholics represented the unstable Republican persona and therefore the company hired few people from the catholic areas. Cake I grew up in a so-called Protestant area in west County Down where nobody really cares what you are. Memories. Finish Up here in Canada (BC) its quite difficult to find. Tullamore Dew, rendered in most branding as Tullamore D.E.W. Ive been to the area that Bush Mills in manufactured and its total UFV territory. During this period, when the Dublin whiskey distilleries were amongst the largest in the world, the family-run firms of John Power, along with John Jameson, William Jameson, and George Roe, (collectively known as the "Big Four") came to dominate the Irish distilling landscape, introducing several innovations. The whiskey was originally produced in Tullamore, County Offaly, Ireland, at the . One happens to be located in a majority Protestant area and one located in a majority Catholic area, big deal! [15], More recently, in 2015, Powers Signature Release won a gold medal in the category Irish Single Pot Still Whiskey at the Irish Whiskey Awards. Some of the comments here are totally rediculous. 2nd line was bottling Jameson. I prefer the taste of Bushmills as its smoother where Jameson is a sharper taste. But Hi, I actually know the reason behind the controversy. As the Protestants had pretty much a stranglehold over all shipping in the country, they refused to ship Dew in favor of the Protestant-produced Jameson. Rabble Rouser, Bushmills is not total UFV (sic) territory in the slightest. Id suggest Tullamore Dew, it was founded by Catholics and is still owned by a nice Irish Catholic company. Paddy is a brand of blended Irish whiskey produced by Irish Distillers, at the Midleton distillery in County Cork, on behalf of Sazerac, a privately held American company. Also how does Navan end up in a Heineken? Youd be hard to convince me it is 40 proof, much less 80. Brands! wear my orange on St. Patricks Ill have to try a Manhattan next. Hi all, please dont reinforce past troubles by making brand choices based on hatred. When it comes to what crosses my lips I guess I am an agnostic. . If they do in fact have a Catholic Master Distiller, he is probably just the token worker. The most traumatic era in the entire history of Roman Catholicism, some have argued, was the period from the middle of the 14th century to the middle of the 16th. neat, I take Jameson if Bushmills is not available. For the record I have had many a session all over the island both North and south. There will always be a few zealots who do, but from my knowledge, both Bushmills and Jamesons are enjoyed by people of both faiths. Thanks, Mike. Utter nonsense. I love Redbreast and always have a bottle about, but based on some comments here Ill definitely be picking up a bottle of Powers Gold Label. Love a pleanty I had the 15yr old Kilbeggan during a visit at the Cooley distillery a few years back, and it was damn tasty. The Master Distiller, Colum Eagan, is indeed a Catholic himself and comes from Co. Laois in ROI. Ginger cake, brazil nuts, treacle Its an American argument that doesnt carry weight here, whiskey is whiskey. In: St. Patrick's Day. Then I spent another 20 minutes clicking around at random on your site, and then I ended up at this article, neatly explaining the first part of the joke. @Allen: I think it show more the bigoted nature of your tour guide than it does Bushmills. Religion and booze dont go well together so its a subject that perhaps should be avoided. What a great treat. But that's merely based on geography: Bushmills is from Northern Ireland (a predominantly Protestant region) and Jameson is from Cork - Catholic country. Cant believe this discussion thread is still going on since 2009! The young fella attending to the store asked if I wanted Catholic or Protestant then he placed a two bottles of Bushmills on the counter one plain and one Black label. Though Jameson is currently distilled in lovely Cork, it was actually founded and first distilled in Dublin. As for those Tyrconnell expressions: major thumbs up. According to everyone Ive spoken with on the subject, you only really find this debate in the States, where Irish-American support of the Republic can sometimes be blind and often fueled by the very product were speaking of. Now, go have some grappa with an espresso this evening. My post was simple stating that the problem still exists. As of late, its been my favorite it has rich barley notes that leave my palate craving more. Whiskey hasnt got a religion. If you want to support Ireland, go and visit and maybe read a few history books and hopefully realise that most normal people dont give a toss about religious leanings. I could be fairly sure the master distiller was hired because he was good at distilling whiskey and not because they needed to hire a Catholic. Not enough time to read through comments. The last member of the family to sit on the board was Sir Thomas Talbot Power,[8] who died in 1930,[10] and with him the Power's Baronetcy. Corvallisbarman is half right. [12] However, with many of the Irish distilleries having closed in the early 20th century in part due to their failure to embrace a change in consumer preference towards blended whiskey, Powers were instrumental in convincing the remaining Irish distilleries to reconsider their stance on blended whiskey.[8]. Funny, I also sought some info from a Bushmills rep when this controversy came up around St. Pattys day! The Roman Catholic church developed its dogma based on the issues brought forth by the . Usually King James Version. And, many thanks to (nearly) all of those who offered comments. Thats where I paused it and jumped on to google to figure out exactly what neat meant, which lead me to this article of yours: https://jeffreymorgenthaler.com/2008/up-neat-straight-up-or-on-the-rocks/. Tim, I made a great Manhattan variation last night with 2oz Powers Gold Label, 1oz Carpano Punt E Mes and a dash or two of Angostura (regular, not orange), stirred up with a cherry garnish and enjoyed it very much indeed. Question, in the US, is Powers readily available? Jameson has distilled fine Irish malt which has been then sold to Bushmills to use as a blend all of the way through the most controversial of times of Irish English relations to current. so stop bringing religion into alcoholdrink what you like and leave the bigotry at the doorif people spent a few hours getting to know each other over a drink we wouldnt have half the discrimination we have today. Like seriously you hate us so much you wont drink our whiskey??? Bushmills is very proud of its long Irish heritage and yes its head distiller is catholic but if someone wants to boycott this whiskey, not for taste, but simply because it is situated in an area populated mainly by Protestants then they are the one with the problem. Bushmills also provides single malt for Powers, while Midleton (where many of teh Irish whiskies are produced) provides grain whiskey for the Bushmills blends. You may see the Co. Offaly whiskey grow even more now that William Grant & Sons owns it, and will be building the new distillery soon. It was largely untouched by the Troubles and paramilitaries. As an irish american raised in an irish roman catholic family I can say this: Its summer here in Oregon, which means barbecues, camping trips and river floats are on the agenda for the next few months. The fact is that Jameson is the Catholic whiskey and Bushmills is the Protestant whiskey and this is according to people I know That live in Belfast. A fair amount of nonsense in some of these replies. Three persons in one God: Father, Son and Holy . @Eamonn: always good to hear from a Dubliner. This is now a historical landmark. It's been going on for thousands of years across the globe. I drink it often . Despised it. And if you just like something different then Cooleys your distillery (though that Michael Collins stuff is shite). My wife has just blown raspberries on my belly whilst Ive been reading this crap seriously it doesnt matter which type of sky fairy you believe in bushmills black label vs tulamore dew is a close run thing and depends on how and what mood youre in rather that some stupid pagan affiliation. Spent the rest of the week getting to know Irish whiskey & came home w/ small bottles of Irish Whiskeys I wasnt sure I could get in the US so I could continue my coyage of discovery at home. History matters which is why the Catholic/Protestant thing is relevant. Yep, this goes back to when Bushmills was still part of IDL (Irish Distillers Limited) and owned by Pernod. Upon this one should decide which whiskey they prefer, and not upon any religous matter. Enjoy your whiskey and spare a kind word for everyone. No coffee or anything green. Being good to people is the very best thing you can do for yourself. mhermher 9 yr. ago I always remark "that's Protestant whiskey" at any mention of bushmills, but no one ever catches the reference. If you dont beleive in god the whole situation would appear ridiculous. Thanks again for this essay and the add-on comments. I took a fifth of Bushmills with me in my checked luggage. Support the old sod. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X85N-43REag. But there was a bar that had a shot of Powers and a Guinness for $7, so as you can guess I ended up drinking quite a bit of it. Ill take one next time Im out. I can solve this argument. I lived through this and lost people to it, and it saddens me to read this. From the outset of the Reformation, Luther and his associates had fiercely proclaimed the Christian's obligation to "be subject to the governing authorities," asserting, with Saint Paul, that "the powers that be are ordained by God . First published on March 17, 2016 / 1:00 PM. Yep, he was referring to a certain product from Bushmills.. It wasnt an issue about who owns what. Powers Gold Label is also wonderful and dirt cheap. Oh, by the way, John Jameson was a protestant Scottish planter in Ireland, so shouldnt you be boycotting his whiskey also? one night. The episodes of violence associated with both Protestant and Catholic troops in the . As someone who drinks her whiskey with ginger ale and a slice of lime, I definitely vote Powers over any other. As regards the Catholic v Protestant whiskey debate. Oh, and as your average American that enjoys the brown, I contend that my enjoyment of scotch does not come at the expense of the Irish, Kentuckians, Tennesseeans or even Canadians! The Fair Employment Commission gave Bushmills a clean bill of health. Now as far as whiskey goes, Im a newbie to Irish stuff but tend to love it all since I am a hard drinker for 6 plus decades. Sweeter, rich with barley, and perfect with one ice cube. Should these facts come into the discussion when considering whether or not to indulge in a pint of the creamy delicious black stuff!? I just brought some Tyrconnell 10-year port cask aged home from duty free it is delicious. Why even Arthur Guinness was a prod. And while the distillery had a larger proportion of Protestants than Catholics, this was down to the demographics of the area in which the town of Bushmills is situated which is largely a protestant area and the employment status reflects that. Stick to the booze recommendations, the mixed drink recipes, and the things you have first-hand experience with. Paddy is pretty readily available in the New York Metro Area, but Ive never seen it since I left for warmer climes. Plus, many of the whiskies can be sipped neat or on the rocks. My hat is off to you, for your spookily informative collection of posts. Fast forward 60 years. Only if you are an idiot! About 5 or 6 years ago they flooeded Irish bars with it just before St. Paddys Day,almost forcing bars to sell off a lot of free stock they received. The waitress stared at me, and said in her thick brogue, This is an IRISH pub. I looked at her and said, okay, Ill have a Harp. Here in Montana, that conversation wouldnt have made any sense. Not sure what Guinness has to do with this, but your claim goes against everything we were taught about him, but maybe history is just whitewashed for us Yanks. As of 2016, Paddy is the fourth largest-selling Irish whiskey in the World. Drink is one thing that unites Ireland it is shocking to see that some, primarily in the US, try to politicise it. This must be one of the most pointless debates I have seen in a long time. It makes things interesting. Click here to learn how to make this and other drinks for a slushie machine! Im after trying many whiskies and Jamesons Gold is my current favourite, if a bit spendy. The difference between the two has to do with the history of whiskey production in Ireland. I was born in buncrana moved to Derry then to Belfast and am now living in the uk Im Catholic and I must say I prefer Bushmills to Jamesons although Ive been a life Long fan of Jamesons it doesnt matter whether your Hun or teag drink what you like dont bring sectarianism into it itll spoil the taste. Protestant whiskey is typically made in Northern Ireland, while Catholic whiskey is made in the Republic of Ireland. I was a bartender in NY in the early 90s and in 98 moved to Kinsale Cork and bartended their for 4 yrs. Please remember quite a few of you presidents from Grant to Clinton descended from this part of the world. However, some of the buildings have been incorporated into the National College of Art and Design, and are now protected structures. Wow, not one mention of Tullamore Dew. So any Americans who believe this, should change to Murphys at once. Yes, it is definitely misguided, even nuts, but its not a myth. This was a long term plan but theyve brought it forward by about 8-10 years. @Matt: sorry to hear about religious intolerance in West Virginia but this is a discussion about the distilling history of Irish whiskey, not moonshine. In 1886, John Power & Son began bottling their own whiskey, rather than following the practice customary at the time, of selling whiskey directly to merchants and bonders who would bottle it themselves. Though in the end, I do really prefer Bushmills. The new bottling hall is also taking shape even though itll be a while before the on site whiskey will be bottled. This kind of stupidity makes us look like clowns in the eyes of most real Irish. It wouldnt have anything to do with the fact that Guinness is in the Republic of Ireland and Bushmills is in Northern Ireland would it? This is wayyyy late, and I apologize, but the record needed to be set straight. In addition to Powers Gold label, a 12-year-old premium blend, and several single pot still whiskeys have been released under the Powers banner in recent years: In the 2012 edition of the Whisky Bible, whiskey writer Jim Murray named Power's John's Lane Release Irish Whiskey of the Year and described it as "certainly one of the top five world whiskies of the year". Jamesons too is lovely. I also like Writers Tears, Bushmills and the Redbreast (12 more so than the 15). Mostly only Catholics or the nonreligious drink here. Peter Knox hit the nail on the head in #103 & Hey Bartender is right, giving a crap about what religion founded a whiskeys distillery is about as authentically Irish as corned beefFYI: not a single Irish person I spoke to knew had ever heard of corned beef, it wasnt in the grocery stores & certainly not on any menus. The date 1608 listed all over the Bushmills bottle is not only the date The King of England allowed distilling to take place in Northern Ireland it is also the date the plantation of Ulster began. Granted, I dont mix my whiskey with Coke or Ginger Ale, so perhaps Im missing the best presentation of Powers Gold Label. Tulley Dew 10 Year Single Malt! Jamesons one-time MD (CEO in the USA) was Andrew Jameson. [4] In addition, Barnard was high in his praise for Powers whiskey, noting:[4]. Wow, this was such a fun read through. I have a bottle of Midleton stashed away for a special occasion and I keep a bottle of Kilbeggan for my go-to whiskey. 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