Edmondson-Jones responded by saying that the difference in the Embraer aircraft sizes and where the aircraft's doors are placed determined the legroom. Your feedback is important in helping us keep our community safe. Go there to get flight time and then move on. Henry Harteveldt, an industry analyst and the cofounder of Atmosphere Research Group, has been "disappointed" with what he's seen so far. They can't profitably or even just realistically offer higher minimums than that at this point because they won't have the volume of flights. Crash pads are an added expense for flight crew needing them. Breeze intended for all of its flight attendants to be degree-seeking students. Thank you! Disappointed but not surprised. But its gross. All applicants are required to have at least 1,500 total hours with 1,000 hours of experience flying fixed-wing turbine aircraft, regardless of whether applying for the Embraer or Airbus fleet. Harteveldt is also a big fan of the Airbus A220-300 aircraft that Breeze will be flying later this year. JetBlue is the only other major US airline to fly Embraer 190/195s, proposed pilot pay is the free market at work. Great article !!! This is absolutely exploitive. Fly for less money and less stress. The LDS coming from the Beehive State have, at the end of the day, always thought of its team members really as worker bees. This decision is first made at a high-level by the employer a pilot decides to work for. It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. He has had impeccable timing when it comes to starting a new US airline. The comments on this page have not been provided, reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any advertiser, and it is not an advertiser's responsibility to ensure posts and/or questions are answered. "The cities are all good cities, but the airports have no protection around them.". Not Germany, France, the UK, Japan, no one. In-flight WiFi, for example, won't be offered on the aircraft. Those rates and minimums will almost certainly guarantee an ALPA swooping-in to negotiate better terms for their members. 77% of job seekers rate their interview experience at Breeze Airways as positive. Stay connected with the latest travel, aviation, and credit card news. The first consideration is getting off reserve and getting regular lines of flying. "A concern that I have is that the target Breeze customer may be less likely to own a smartphone, they may be less likely to own tablets, they may be less likely to use technology in their personal and work lives," Harteveldt said. New start-up airline in the USA. An initial slate of 39 routes across 16. Greg started his professional pilot journey in 2002 after graduating from Embry Riddle. Access your favorite topics in a personalized feed while you're on the go. Captain will make 3 times this Im surprised David Neeleman would set such low rates for pay. Hopefully professional pilots will take a hard look at other careers before accepting garbage like this. I wonder if its plausible he could bring some pilots up from Azul to fill gaps if US pilots arent too interested? It is difficult for commuting pilots to pick up open flying due to their availability and the extra travel time needed to pick up small increments of flying. They are exploiting pilots. Major - [Breeze] Airways - Originally Posted by 501D22G Those are the FA domiciles. Right now but if they build a pay scale with 25-30 steps instead of the 12ish year steps most airlines have these days if their year 5 pays what spirit year 1 pays they would likely keep people reasonably well this is in the longer . This includes the flight frequency, distance the pilot has to commute, and whether their commute will involve just one leg or multiple legs. And before some smart guy points out to me that money is the reason for business, think back to business 101 golden ruletreat your employees the way youd like to be treated, and they will go above and beyond to make YOU more money. Breeze Airways is Neeleman's fifth airline start-up, after JetBlue, Brazil's Azul, Canada's WestJet, and Utah-based Morris Air, which was later purchased by Southwest Airlines. There are cities scattered around that have low cost of living while also having good flight access to several major operational hubs. At 55 min, it seems like a part time job. Must be at least 23 years old at the time of hire, Must have 1,500+ hours total time (not including simulator and/or Flight Engineer time), Current First-Class FAA Medical Certificate, Valid FCC Radiotelephone Operators Permit, Must have or be able to obtain a valid U.S. drivers license, Must have or be able to obtain a valid passport, Must be able to travel unrestricted to and from the United States, Must have authorization to work in the United States as defined by the Immigration Reform Act of 1986, High school diploma or equivalent educational achievement, FAA Unrestricted Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) certificate with airplane multi-engine class rating, Must have a minimum of 3,000 hours fixed wing time. The airline was founded by David Neeleman, who previously co-founded Morris Air, WestJet, JetBlue, and Azul Linhas Aereas. American would attempt to get the lowest pay rates in the industry on comparable equipment. If Neeleman pulls this off again, I will be impressed. Generous contracts of yesteryear reflect a pre-COVID world that is nothing like the current situation. . This might work in the short-term, but the moment that demand recovers, the airline is going to have to significantly increase pay, or it will risk having pilots leave in droves. Breeze will offer streaming in-flight entertainment including television shows and a map feature. NOW WATCH: The pandemic could change the way we look at transportation here's how cities are reimagining streets with more bikes and fewer cars, defended the program in a prior statement to Insider. PLEASE DO NOT EMAIL THIS COMPANY unless you meet their: International Students: Please do not contact this school regarding Free Pilot Training, Sponsorship, Financial Assistance, or Guaranteed Job Placements. This is a prime example of how capitalism is at the cancer stage in the United States, and rapidly approaching stage 4. Domicile Choices At Legacy, Major, and Regional Airlines, east coast domiciles with high costs of living to be the most junior crew domiciles, Availablity of flights between home and domicile, Likelihood of being on reserve for a prolonged period of time, Whether you want to have the option for extra flying and premium pay. Breeze's. Ide take that bet, I think Neeleman can pull it off. You can also reach us at (800) 573-1848. Rival Avelo's fee structure is more lenient, says Harteveldt, although the two don't directly compete yet. There have been several regionals that have gone under recently which have temporarily flooded the market with pilots. Most major airlines are in negotiations at this time, and many are contentious. Breeze plans to operate two aircraft types: the Embraer E190/95 and Airbus A220-300. This whole covid fiasco has made a lot of his start up costs dirt cheap. They might not have CASS right away. I'm assuming Breeze knows there's going to be a number of unemployed pilots and $77K+ a year is better than unemployment benefits. Minimum qualifications might get pilots in the door at Breeze but are no guarantee of a job. And its an immediate tip-of-the-hat to what their culture will be based onmoney is king, you dont matter. Whats my take? My airline had a trip that left LGA early in the morning to CMH. "Breeze absolutely will be able to attract some customers," Harteveldt said "The question is, will they be differentiated enough to attract enough customers, and will they attract enough people to be profitable?". An employers commuter policy, usually defined in an employment agreement, can make a significant difference in the stress associated with commuting to work. But Harteveldt isn't convinced that an airline can be "seriously nice," as Breeze puts it. Also, let's be honest: COVID is a new reality for pilots. Commutes requiring more than one flight leg add significant time to commuting. Those are the FA domiciles. The airline is hiring both pilots and flight attendants, given that its close to launching operations. The basic requirements to become a Breeze pilot come down to flight hours. For example, I recently wrote about how Breeze is only hiring flight attendants if they enroll full time in college, and live in company housing. "The biggest concern that I had about the launch announcement is the very short window of time the airline has chosen to give itself between announcing that his flights are open for sale and its first flight," Harteveldt said. A single-fleet operation keeps pilot training and maintenance costs down, as well as maximizes efficiency in a pilot pool. The founder of the airline is David Neeleman, the same guy behind JetBlue. Breeze Airways, the startup airline founded by David Neeleman of JetBlue Airways fame, has already raised the pay for its pilots after seven months of operations. Breeze Airways is a new airline thats expected to launch in the US in early 2021. MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands While we do try to list all the best miles and points deals, the site does not include all card companies or credit card offers available in the marketplace. Arron, Im neither fat, unfit or rude, ugly well maybe. Harteveldt suggested instead that the airline delay flights by a few weeks to really get the kinks out before the first passenger is welcomed onboard, as well as build a customer base. But pilots will also face the decision throughout their time at a specific employer as most have the option to change domiciles. Lots of opinion injected here but believe me they do not have a shortage of applications. There are several considerations when looking at potential domiciles. Our Pilots are overall Leaders who safely take care of our Team Members and Guests. Pilots that choose to commute will spend more time away from home than the pilots that live in base. pilotcareercenter.com is a dedicated 24 hour webservice designed for the world's present and future aircrews. "If you're a fully trained flight attendant, you're a fully trained flight attendant," Edmondson-Jones said. Anyone with a college degree need not apply to be a flight attendant, while the only reason to become a pilot at Breeze is if you have no other options pay is roughly on par with regionals, while requirements are significantly higher. For now its all supply and demand compounded with an industry in the toilet. But the lack of consistency extends outside the aircraft. This applies to ANY wildcat actions, including slowdown, work-to-rules, withdrawal of enthusiasm (WOE), sickouts, etc. The hub-skipping routes allow passengers to fly directly to and from leisure destinations without having to change planes. Getting pilots to take a chance on the startup, which is slated to begin flights amid an ongoing pandemic recovery period, has surprisingly not been an issue for Breeze. Flying for these rates sets a bad precedent for the rest of the industry. This is not to fault or say any of my peers who's airlines have gone defunct (through no doing of their own) are underskilled pilots - they are well seasoned vets of an industry that was finally recovering from 9/11, the recession, age 65 rule and now COVID. Most of the comments are/were regarding the MMG and hourly pay, but the key factor is the requirements to actually get the job. Airline and cargo operations are fluid and employers will frequently open and close outstations. El Segundo, CA 90245, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information, Meet the Breeze team at upcoming events! That's the Breeze way. It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. FO Adam absolutely nailed it. The Airbus A220-300 will allow Breeze to fly to Hawaii, Europe, and even South America if the airline desires. Breeze has a long way to go until they are paying too comfy to leave wages. Recruiters are also looking to see if a pilot is a match with the airline's values and for customer service-oriented and safety-minded individuals. All rights reserved. As a pilot with one of the aforementioned regionals, this is an ongoing conversation. 10 years have passed, the salary for new FO's are basically the same but now you need at least 10 year as FO to become a captain. Republic/Chautauqua New Deal With US Airways for E-170 and E-190, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. Work schedules begin and end at the domicile where a flight crew is based. However, if there is a specific domicile you wish to work from it is good to plan airplane types around those that are based in your desired domicile. It would be wise to not uproot families or even consider purchasing a home for a domicile unless that city is an operations hub. Some airlines have only a few domiciles while others can have several domiciles spread throughout the country, or even internationally. The benefit of getting on right now at Breeze is seniority in the future. You seem to be an angry young man. Pilots are required to have a minimum set of hours but recruiters are also looking for. Candidates give an average difficulty score of 2.6 out of 5 (where 5 is the highest level of difficulty) for their job interview at Breeze Airways. As a general rule, commuting flight crew will want longer trips while at work such as working four day trips rather than working one or two day trips. Do you want your pilots to be the bottom of the barrel? There are factors to consider when choosing a base. Pilots can choose if they want to live in base or if they want to commute to their base. Frankly Im somewhere in the middle here. One Cough At A Time: Sick Travelers Galore! Most of the comments are/were regarding the MMG and hourly pay, but the key factor is the requirements to actually get the job. Commuter policies give pilots assurances of no disciplinary actions for not getting to work on time so long as the pilot makes an effort required by the commuter policy to get to work. Add to that COVID and these poor guys will have NO CHOICE but to fly for these asshats. The average pilot will make more than this. If thats you, then there is a place for you at Breeze. And the US would have PRETTY PLEASANT FRIENDLY SKIES again. If a pilot doesnt make it on time they will lose pay for the missed work but are able to rejoin their trip once they make it into position. Everyone should apply. American Airlines recently retired the Embraer E190 from its fleet in 2020 but those pilots would still be eligible as Coleman says the airline wants recency of experience from within the past two years. Visit our career page for all current job openings. But onboard WiFi goes beyond internet browsing and can have some cost-saving benefits for an airline. 8 hours reserve gets 4 hours of pay $38 per hour. For most pilot employers there is a trend for east coast domiciles with high costs of living to be the most junior crew domiciles. At this point, offset the difference by instructing or other commercial needs. maximum takeoff weight), Must have 500 hours of PIC in large, Group II transport category aircraft (turbojet aircraft of more than 41,000 lbs. Domicile - in airline terms this is the permanent location of flight crew. Orlando (SFB) is now the company's largest base All pilots provided parking passes for their base, and for LAS airport; all parking fees are paid for, during training IATA code: G4; ICAO code: AAY ATC callsign: "Allegiant" This page was last updated: October 18, 2022 (Quicktake) PILOTS Total: 1141 Active: 1141 Furloughed: 0 UNION IBT Sign up for notifications from Insider! Pilots won't go straight from the classroom to the cockpit, however, as they'll need to build up their flight hours to Breeze's requirements, which is often done through flight instructing. Heres SkyWests Embraer 170 pilot pay scale (this is a significantly smaller plane): Again, the catch with regional airlines is that pilots typically work here for a few years before applying for a job with one of the major airlines. "A nice airline doesn't push people to technology.". Im a bit confused. Of course, I will never forget Herb Kelleher walking into a pintos union negotiation and exclaiming to them all, "Let's start by saying that I know you guys would do this nothing if you had to!". If you are considering a domicile that isnt a hub that base should be viewed as temporary. My point is: Why pay more if you don't have to? "More airline competition is needed in the US.". Flight crew that need to spend more time in their domicile will often find crash pads. Take it easy. Wasn't aware of breeze low pay scale. Glad I was just in time to work and fly through the good times and happily retired now. Harteveldt points to Breeze's tech-focused approach that does away with call centers and requires passengers to use a mobile application or computer to communicate with the airline. The startup aspires to be a "nice" airline and pilots will need to act as brand ambassadors. "It's great to be part of a company that has such a supportive leadership team. Given that long haul truckers can make that and more, with additional signing bonuses, you must really love to fly and be desperate. Commuting used in this context refers to getting a space-available ride to work on an airline or cargo flight. Please use the form below to contact our customer service or sales team. Neeleman is known for building airlines with great cultures, but I kind of have a hard time getting behind this whole concept at Breeze. It's capitalism in it's most raw form. Our business address is: If Neeleman pulls this off again, I will be impressed. This says to me that the quality of pilot they will be recruiting will be far from the best and hence, an airline to swerve. Around 4,400 pilots have already applied to fly for the airline with only around 85 spots available. Crew domiciles end up being staffed by more junior pilots due to cost of living, quality of life considerations, aircraft types operated out that base, where pilots typically fly to out of a base, and trip schedules. I know the pay is low, it's a start-up, etc, etc, etc, I get it. Some will likely say that Breeze Airways proposed pilot pay is the free market at work, with so many pilots furloughed or laid off. By logging into your account, you agree to our. Here's why he's not impressed with Breeze. The rules here have not changed, but the enforcement will now result in a 30 day . To airline pilots is there anything Im missing here that would make Breeze an attractive employer? Pilot Breeze Airways Pilots are responsible for ensuring safe and timely flight operations in accordance with all Company policies and Federal Aviation Regulations. Harteveldt noted that WiFi can be used for fraud protection if the airline plans to offer in-flight purchasing, and it can be used for "smart aircraft" applications where the airline can monitor the performance of an aircraft's systems in real-time. Our inflight leadership team are always available to support our team members. As far as "part-time", pilots are "at work" 300 to 400 hours per month in order to fly 80 hours. Because expanding the monthly rate to 75+ is done so much easier and instant, than hirring another 200 pilots or so. The end result will be lesser pilots and more accidents in the future. The best way to get off reserve quickly is to pick domiciles staffed by more junior pilots or to pick larger bases. Pilots will be expected to be on the frontlines as the airline gets off the ground and that means interacting with passengers in the terminal, making pre-departure announcements in front of passengers instead of from the cockpit, and being an overall brand ambassador. 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